This episode discusses the experiences of Mr. Zainal Arifin, a crab catcher (fisherfolk) from Lamongan in the East Java province. During this interview, we explore the factors that hinder fisherfolk in the fishing business and other issues affecting the price of their catch. Additionally, Mr. Zainal also shares insights into the government’s role in supporting fisherfolk in his area and the hopes of the fishing community regarding government guarantees. The interview became even more engaging with the participation of Mr. Priadi, a researcher from IHCS (Indonesian Human Rights Committee for Social Justice). Priadi explains why fisherfolk have not been considered as part of family farming and a source of food fulfillment, and also outlines how to protect fisherfolk in accordance with existing laws and regulations.